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As I was about to start a Management Review session for a client the MD put his head round the door and stunned everybody by asking “Do you need me in this meeting”. This was before the new standard was published so it brought a smile to my face as I knew what changes were afoot. Changes that you, like me, doubtless welcomed as being a step in the right direction.

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Once we had all got sight of the new standard, most of us out there advising small SMEs began to wonder how MDs like my friend would cope with their new responsibilities. No longer could they simply declare, “If it’s quality then you need to talk to my quality man”.

The new section on Leadership is cleverly written to clearly differentiate between those duties the MD has to take on board and those he may delegate. However, if he has distanced himself in the past then doubtless many QA people will be giving him a crash course an all things 9001.

The changes will not affect those business where the workload is shared and the team addresses the relevant requirements of the standard knowing the boss had his finger on the pulse and is also chipping in with his contribution. However, they might be in the minority.

How do you you see this panning out where you work or with your clients? Will it also be the case that quality managers and indeed consultants will be excluded from an audit on the basis that the MD should be competent enough to hold a discussion by himself with the auditor?

Why not share your thoughts below.

会議When it comes to authorising and approving procedures do you just type them and bang them out or do you print them and see to it that they get physically signed off?

It really surprises me how many systems I see like the first. There is no evidence of you having taken responsibility for either of these requirements. No names, departments, nothing.  When I query this I tend to get told well “I’m the only one who writes them”; “I show them the relevant manager first” or “We can’t wait that long to get them issued”. However, without some accountabilty how do you address the requirement to authorise and approve documentation on issue or amendment?

Now, sometimes I see the authors name typed in and perhaps with a date in the footer of the document which is better than nothing.  Strictly speaking though you would have to evidence that the ‘author’ is the only person with access to the system to create and amend documents which is a bit of a faff. However, you still can’t evidence that the process owner has had any input into what is strictly his or her domain.

Far better to include two signatories with the process owner (often the Head of Department)  authorising it and the QA person approving it.  That way the process owner takes responsibility for releasing information as to what happens on his or her patch. Without that, and I have seen this, you get the response “Well I wasn’t asked about it or shown it before it was issued”. The QA person should approve it so as to run the rule over it for adequate contact and auditability.

Now in this day and age you can obviously have, provided again that suitable control exists, electronic signatures to save the physical  printing. Would be interested to know what you do so please share your experiences. More helpful support at the 9001 Support Centre.

 

 

 

 

ShredderIf you already have a system in place you are doubtless pondering as you look towards the 2015 version whether to bang not only the manual but the mandatory six through the jaws of your shredder as well. (Yes, I know Preventive Action goes anyway but let’s run with it yeah)

The likelihood as I see it, having talked to my sites, is that they will be retained and the temptation to run amok resisted. It’s a bit like some of us now being allowed to get our hands our pension pot to do with as with please isn’t it. You so want to but you hold back.

The manual if written properly (i.e. in say 8 – 10 pages max) is a good marketing tool and the procedures are useful support for those getting there heads round the requirements in QA. However, what to do if you are installing your system?

I think that really depends on the skills and knowledge of the team (yeah, no management representative either doing all the work) who will look after these processes. In my opinion, if they know them inside out then there would appear to be no need to burden them with procedures provided adequate records are being retained to evidence control of each process. However, if they are lacking experience, there is no doubt that there is a good case for writing them. As with all parts of the standard – if not having a procedure risks the process falling over, then you need one.

I have to get my head round how to upgrade the 9001 Training Guides to accommodate the extra requirements and the general move-around of existing procedures so by all means let me know what you would like to see and in what format.  The current version for 2008 are here if you’ve never seen them and would like help with that version.

 

 

 

Companies certified to ISO 9001 could have a surprise in store when the standard eventually gets revised from the 2008 version to that of 2015. Ok, so there is now an alleged delay I hear in that we won’t see this published until the autumn now but don’t rest on your laurels.  You need to get ahead of the game on this one and hear’s why.

Some say it is the most significant change they have seen to the standard

However, companies will doubtless leave it to the last-minute thus putting themselves under pressure having less time to talk it through with staff  and then introduce all the changes required of them. Certainly the Owner,CEO or MD is being asked to be more hands on in the running of the system so that’ll come as a shock to most.  No longer can it be bolted onto the business or simply viewed as a delegated task for one unsuspecting member of staff.  Also, have they seen the significant changes in relation to that person’s role anyway or the documents that are removed and the processes that are added? Will they understand how to introduce risk management for example.

What action can I take?

Well, I am already chatting to certified companies to paint a picture as to what is coming their way with the new standard. I have attended sessions with no less than three certification bodies and am about to undertake my auditor transition course. I trust you are making similar arrangements whichever side of the fence you see yourself.

A good place to start

Here is a trailer of my recent webinar “9001:2015 – What’s All the Fuss About” to set the scene for you.

If you see the need to chat further then email me at pete@iso9001supportcentre.com and remember that you can also see it on my App in the Masterclass section. Just search on Apple or Android for :9001 Support”.

For any small company the requirement to appoint someone to look after the QMS can be a difficult decision. Invariably someone takes it on in addition to there main job which is bad enough, but the most difficult choice is when the Production Manager draws the short straw.  Surely, it is a blatant conflict of interest so shouldn’t be entertained?

However diligent they may be and competent in their QA skills, there will surely be occasions when they are faced with a choice – get deliveries out each day irrespective of the fact that non-conformances should be raised for one thing or another. At Goods Inwards, allowing receipts to proceed when they should be investigated further because the pressure is one to get the material allocated and used.

Keeping instruments in use perhaps when they are known to be out of calibration or damaged because withdrawing them would stop the production line.  The list goes on and on and I’m sure you have seen and could add many more scenarios. On top of that he is excluding himself from being able to audit so many aspects on the internal audit schedule because he is clearly not impartial to the workings of the process.  

So, care needs to be exercised when making the selection.  Production staff have enough to do already so look around the company and see if this role can be an opportunity for someone to show their potential perhaps. There is saying that if you want a job doing well then give it someone who is busy, but on this occasion perhaps not.

Have you ever faced that situation?  How have you got the company to reconsider? Please share.